12 comments

  • khuey 36 minutes ago
    Governments are famously tolerant of other actors seeking to rival or usurp their power.
  • slx7 22 minutes ago
    As Moises Naim says, these days power is easy to get, hard to use, easy to loose.

    As complexity/unpredictability rises in any system its natual that govt will shed power. We have already seen this with setting of interest rates.

    There is a long list of reasons why the Treasury Dept, President, House, Senate, Supreme Court or NASA doesnt get to set the rate.

    Why did they hand over that power to the central bank? Read some financial system evolution history. Mindlessly ambitious people, the kind who run things hardly ever hand over power to someone else unless they see weilding the power puts a giant bulls eye on their head when the inevitable unpredictable/uncontrolable event occurs. Same goes with the Church or Religious institutions. Why does govt stay out of that lane? Why did Italy hand over the Vatican to the Church?

    • dathinab 14 minutes ago
      there is a huge difference here between that and the central bank

      the central bank is semi part of the state, AI Labs are not, AI Labs are fully under directly control of a extremely small number of people in a way which has nothing to do with democracy

      founding a Organisation like the FCC but for AI oversight is a completely different topic, but that isn't what he is proposing

      > Italy hand over the Vatican to the Church?

      because it always had been a nano country under Church control, this is not comparable at all

      > Church or Religious institutions.

      most democracies have a separation of state and religion where religion has little to no governing power. When this isn't the case it's a failure of the state (often for historic reason). This isn't desirable at all.

  • bravura 15 minutes ago
    The important meta-conclusion that the article sadly misses is that the government will soon be using AI to regulate AI.
  • taylorius 11 minutes ago
    Sounds like someone has a call with Howard Lutnick in their future.
  • throwatdem12311 28 minutes ago
    Never gonna happen when governments could just bomb the data centres.
  • dathinab 20 minutes ago
    this should and must not happen

    at least in a democracy, even if flawed, power comes from the people, that is the fundamental raison d'être for people allowing a government to exist

    this isn't the case of "AI Labs"

    what he is proposing is nothing less then establishing at least partial oligarchy, or in other words while indirectly he is relatively openly saying he wants to overthrow not just the US constitution but more or all every democracies constitution (at least in spirit)

    EDIT: Assuming AI Labs == existing private AI Labs like OpenAI. Something analog to the FCC for AI or similar is a completely different topic. But this wouldn't be called AI Labs as it wouldn't be a AI Lab. But a faster moving, less bureaucratic, commission (or similar group) which works in tight communication with AI Labs. So I'm pretty sure he means giving OpenAI and co. power officially comparable to the government in some sectors. Which means practical including corruption etc. it might be above that of the government.

  • neya 8 minutes ago
    Governments already use AI labs for surveillance, so, just the ownership will change, the victims will always be the citizens (Eg. see Flock cameras). Nothing gets better.
  • trentor 17 minutes ago
    They really believe they are the new East Indian Trading Company. Delusion and all.
  • hodgesrm 1 hour ago
    The thinking in this article seems muddled to me. Historically there are two fundamental models for rivalries between powerful economic actors and national governments.

    * Regulatory capture - AI Labs [partially] capture government functions, i.e., take over. In practice this equates to oligarchy.

    * Nationalization - Government takes over AI labs through some form of direct or indirect control (e.g., dirigisme).

    The article discussion does not seem to consider either of them. And the idea that AI labs would act in the interest of citizens at large seems laughable. In practice it looks like California Forever [0], which is quite the opposite.

    [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Forever

    edit: clarity

    • dathinab 11 minutes ago
      I mostly read it AI Labs == established AI Labs i.e. under control of a few rich people. Else it wouldn't be called AI Labs but, idk. AI Comission (like FCC) or similar
  • ashurandi 2 hours ago
    This is kinda scary to think about... If we at some point have to pay a 'token-tax' or 'AI-tax' just to have access to something that may be embedded in all aspects of life... I fear society will get even more divided.
    • throwatdem12311 15 minutes ago
      Friend of mine got a new job. He’s required to and only allowed to use Copilot (because muh trusted enterprise partner).

      He also has to pay for his subscription/usage out of pocket. Of course they didn’t tell him this until after on-boarding.

      The corpo fucks want their cake and to eat it too. That’s where we are headed. Having the privilege to pay to have a bot do our jobs for us.

      • dathinab 8 minutes ago
        I don't think this is legal??

        It's like telling someone they have to drive none stop for their job but neither giving them a company car or nor a budget for it.

        (To be clear done and companies get away with it != legal. I know companies sometimes get away with exactly the example I named in some cases.)

  • an0malous 36 minutes ago
    This is the guy who said open weight models are “decelerationist” and will lead to “AI communism” and a “dystopian hellscape” so I’d categorize him more as an OpenAI spokesperson than a strategist. His takes always sound more like someone who chugged the kool aid rather than any kind of rational take.

    https://xcancel.com/deanwball/status/2078133895766114412

    • tensor 19 minutes ago
      Sounds more like a crank really.
    • esafak 20 minutes ago
      Open weights deter capex? Who cares!? Nvidia isn't paying me for increasing openai's capex. I want tokens, not capex. Am I misconstruing the argument?
      • dathinab 6 minutes ago
        no it's people presenting "this is good for a handful of companies" as if it is the "desirable outcome for the general population" even if the final consequences seem rather bad for the general population and might even threaten democracy
  • antibull 2 hours ago
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