The Utopia of the Family Computer

(mudmapmagazine.com)

50 points | by surprisetalk 4 days ago

11 comments

  • gensym 1 hour ago
    This is a lovely bit of writing, and really points to the value of constraints. Some of my favorite childhood memories were being at friends' houses, huddled over the computer, playing Space Quest or Zork. At one of my friends' houses, we were aware that Leisure Suit Larry was installed, and curious, but never played it because of the central location of the machine.

    I think the shift we've seen TV is something similar. When I was a kid, TV was viewed as an antisocial medium ("the boob tube"), but I have really fond memories of sitting with my family watching Quantum Leap or Growing Pains. Now that everyone has their own screen to watch TV, it seems the studios don't even bother trying to make shows that appeal to an entire family.

    We focus so much on the media (tv/internet/video games/books) when ascribing value, but, as this article indicates, the physical nature of the delivery (shared living room appliance vs portable individual screen) makes a huge difference.

    • piker 33 minutes ago
      Yes! And music! What a social thing listening to a CD or watching MTV in someone's room used to be. Now it's just isolating.
    • dec0dedab0de 5 minutes ago
      we played leisure suit larry at my friend's house, when his parents were at work. Guessing the right answer for the parental lock was most of the fun.
    • relevant_stats 16 minutes ago
      > This is a lovely bit of writing

      A lovely bit of AI slop.

  • Lalabadie 1 hour ago
    The fixed computer is also a huge factor to facilitate supervised computer use (and make it a shared experience!) with kids at home.

    As much as I agree with the point of the article, I keep getting tripped up that every second sentence is "It didn't X, it Y'ed".

    I think it's repeated to form a stylistic device in the second paragraph, but then the shape is interspersed so much in the rest of the text that it reads like a clumsy first write.

    • everdrive 20 minutes ago
      When I was a kid it would have been pretty unusual to let a kid have a TV in their room. Some parents did it, but it was never seen as appropriate. This was the 1980s to 1990s. Now we make sure everyone has much, much more than a TV on them at all time. It's a huge cultural shift in itself and has not been a healthy one.
      • tempaccount5050 6 minutes ago
        It wasn't inappropriate, it's just that you typically didn't have multiple cable boxes. There wasn't really a reason to have a TV in a kids room if you're only getting OTA broadcasting, there wasn't much for kids other than like Saturday morning cartoons. I knew plenty of kids in the 90s with a video game console and TV in their room though. It was for games, not TV watching.
    • NewsaHackO 1 hour ago
      Yes, this is definitely AI-generated. It's always weird that people don't even attempt to sanitize the output to look a little more human. The last pic was very nostalgic, however. It's like we have shared experiences very similar to the corner computer in the living room, complete with the stack of CDs (which will never get completely used).
      • imiric 1 hour ago
        I can't say whether this was machine-generated or not, but the reason LLMs use these patterns is because they're often used by humans, which is what they're trained to mimic. LLM spam has now made it annoying, but there are many people who still write like this. Asking them to change their writing patterns because LLMs have ruined it for readers is not just unfair—it's offensive. (See what I did there? Double whammy!)
  • Illniyar 5 minutes ago
    I was a kid when we had a family computer in the living room.

    We mostly played games on it. It's really not fun playing games in the living room while everyone is around you doing other stuff.

    It's like being the only one watching TV on the sofa while others are reading or working.

    • Modified3019 3 minutes ago
      Same, and agreed. It’s also annoying for everyone else who has to listen to the same few unit movement confirmation sounds hundreds of times in an hour.
  • eigencoder 1 hour ago
    Call me old-fashioned, but I have a family computer. I got rid of my laptop, and got a desktop instead. It stays in the living room, in a desk drawer. The monitor is a portable monitor, and it gets put away when the computer is not in use. My kids aren't old enough to use it yet, but it will be the family computer eventually.
    • stephbook 52 minutes ago
      I've never bought a laptop or tablet for this very reason. No big phone (iPhone 13).

      I'm still writting this now, from the couch. I fear how much screen time others waste.

    • bombcar 58 minutes ago
      We used to hide TVs when not in use, also - now we have TVs designed to be "always on" and show artwork instead.

      Out of sight, out of mine - I think it's generally a good idea.

    • shovas 26 minutes ago
      Legend
  • bwestergard 1 hour ago
    Poignantly in this instance, Utopia is from "ou-topos" (coined by Sir Thomas More in the early modern period). It literally means "no place".
  • shovas 28 minutes ago
    Requisite youtube video: The Internet Used to Be a Place: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYlcUbLAFmw
  • bitwize 24 minutes ago
    > It’s not nostalgia. It’s something else: the distance left by an idea that no longer holds.

    sniff sniff... sniiiiiffffff...

    Yes, I can definitely smell AI.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbw5KX9TaXY

    I never experienced having just one computer for family use, but when internet finally came there was just one line for it and we had to limit our time and carefully coordinate when we got on. But for me that was also a time when computers were used for things other than online-stuff: programming, playing single-player games, drawing, or writing.

    There was also a sense that the internet was a place: not a specific place in the house, but "out there", while your own computer was "in here" where your stuff lived. The UI affordances of the time reflected this. The first two icons on the desktop in Windows 95 were called "My Computer" and "Network Neighborhood", allowing you to access your own computer, and other computers nearby with shared files. When old browsers connected to the internet, the "throbber" in the upper right corner would animate. This was distinct from the animated hourglass cursor that indicated your computer was doing some sort of processing, and was specifically designed to indicate that stuff from "out there" was currently being transferred to your machine. Because "out there" was unknown, it was dangerous. It was 42nd Street at night in 90s NYC, and you didn't know who you were going to bump into or what you might find.

    And then Steve Ballmer or somebody at Microsoft decided, you know what would be great? What if the browser was the OS, and everything on your machine were accessed just like it was online? One familiar interface for everything! That's why I still don't forgive Microsoft for its Windows 98 UI changes and browser integration. Not just monopoly and anticompetitive reasons, but because they blurred what I thought at the time to be an an extremely important distinction. To me it was a lot like what they were trying to do with making Windows 11 an "agentic OS": inviting danger to ordinary users and making it seem safe. (Geez, now I'm doing the thing.)

    Today of course it doesn't matter. Today everything is online all the time. If an application runs on your computer or phone, it's usually still to interact with some online service, but to more closely monitor and constrain how this is done.

  • dupdup 1 hour ago
    Turkish word for computer is "bilgi-sayar"(info-counter) mag on the image.
  • fellowniusmonk 26 minutes ago
    I hated every moment of the family computer era.

    Hated the dialup, hated having to steal other users AOL passwords because my large family couldn't afford internet.

    Hated, later, having to keylog the local libraries ISDN line because the provider offered a free national dial in number for "traveling".

    The whole world of information available to become less ignorant and I can only use it for an hour a day.

    As a below poverty line child with heart defects who was prohibited from sports and a whole slew of other things, what we have now is fucked up because we've allowed every interaction to become a dopamine casino and we've skinners boxed ourselves straight to hell.

    This kind of nostalgia bait is actively harmful, there are clear patterns businesses based in america use and all that shit should be banned.

    Forcing everyone to use a real Id is an evil, making skinners box patterns illegal is much easier.

    I loved Juno email, I loved that rich people paid for the ads I easily ignored because I had a velcro TMNT wallet from a community free store but not a single dollar inside of it.

  • MORPHOICES 1 hour ago
    [dead]
  • junon 54 minutes ago
    Sorry but is this just completely AI generated? Or does the author really love "not X but Y" devices?