How We Broke Top AI Agent Benchmarks: And What Comes Next

(rdi.berkeley.edu)

98 points | by Anon84 2 hours ago

15 comments

  • ggillas 2 hours ago
    This is a phenomenal paper on exploits and hopefully changes the way benchmarking is done.

    From the paper: We achieved near-perfect scores on all of them without solving a single task. The exploits range from the embarrassingly simple (sending {} to FieldWorkArena) to the technically involved (trojanizing binary wrappers in Terminal-Bench), but they all share a common thread: the evaluation was not designed to resist a system that optimizes for the score rather than the task.

    • SlinkyOnStairs 13 minutes ago
      > hopefully changes the way benchmarking is done

      The purpose of a system is what it does.

      AI companies want adcopy, not legitimate benchmarks. Even this very paper will be twisted into a means to that end. "Oooo, AI is exploiting our benchmarks. Scary alignment problem!!!one! Our AI is so good we can't contain it, INVEST NOW!"

    • operatingthetan 1 hour ago
      >hopefully changes the way benchmarking is done.

      Yeah the path forward is simple: check if the solutions actually contain solutions. If they contain exploits then that entire result is discarded.

      • siva7 1 hour ago
        Could it really be that not only we vibeslop all apps nowadays but also don't care to even check how ai solved a benchmark it claimed solved?
        • operatingthetan 1 hour ago
          Probably a more interesting benchmark is one that is scored based on the LLM finding exploits in the benchmark.
        • SpicyLemonZest 1 hour ago
          Frontier model developers try to check for memorization. But until AI interpretability is a fully solved problem, how can you really know whether it actually didn't memorize or your memorization check wasn't right?
      • ZeroGravitas 1 hour ago
        In human multiple choice tests they sometimes use negative marking to discourage guessing. It feels like exploits should cancel out several correct solutions.
        • lambda 24 minutes ago
          Unfortunately, very few LLM benchmarks do this. LLMs get such high scores on many benchmarks because there's no difference between answering "I don't know" as giving a made up answer, and made up answers can improve the score some of the time, so by chasing higher benchmark numbers on these kinds of benchmarks, the labs are prioritizing guessing over accuracy.

          The Artificial Analysis Omniscience benchmark does penalize guessing, so it actually helps you determine which LLMs are likely to just guess rather than telling you they don't know. Only a very few of the frontier models actually score higher than 0 on this, where 0 means that it's equally likely to return a correct answer as it is to return a hallucination on factual questions.

      • Leynos 1 hour ago
        Also, fuzz your benchmarks
    • zer00eyz 1 hour ago
      2024: Industry group invalidates 2,600 official Intel CPU benchmarks — SPEC says the company's compiler used unfair optimizations to boost performance https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/spec-invalid...

      2003: Nvidia accused of cheating in 3DMark 03 https://www.gamespot.com/articles/nvidia-accused-of-cheating...

      It's almost like the benchmarks were designed with zero understanding of the history of benchmark manipulation.

      I like what LLM's are doing and providing. But the industry as a whole seems to live in a vacuum that ignores so much of the hard lessons that have been learned over the last 50 years of computing. It is doing itself a disservice.

      • bee_rider 1 hour ago
        What was the cheat in the 2024 Intel situation? The TomsHardware article and the Phoronix article they linked were quite vague. (Not to say I have any doubts, just curious, hadn’t heard of this one).
      • irishcoffee 1 hour ago
        > It's almost like the benchmarks were designed with zero understanding of the history of benchmark manipulation.

        I wonder if this common? We should call it Goodharts law while someone does the research on how common this is.

        For real, I’ve assumed from the jump these things were all gamed, with the amount of money on the line.

  • mzelling 21 minutes ago
    This is an interesting catalog of vulnerabilities, but I'm not sure how groundbreaking the main insight is.

    Evaluating AI models has always relied largely on trust. If you want to game the benchmarks, you can. Simply train on your test data.

    When an AI agent has autonomous control over the same computing environment where its scores are recorded, it's not surprising that it can, in principle, falsify its scores. A more interesting question would be whether agents behave in this way automatically, without manual tuning by the researcher.

    That said, the main takeaway of "don't trust the number, trust the methodology" is valid. It's already a truism for researchers, and spreading the word to non-researchers is valuable.

  • danslo 1 hour ago
    If only the blog itself wasn't written by AI?

    >No reasoning. No capability. Just exploitation of how the score is computed.

    shudder

    • cpldcpu 1 hour ago
      Yes, marks of AI all over the place. Also the SVGs.

      >No solution written, 100% score.

      Its weird. Turns out that hardest problem for LLMs to really tackle is long-form text.

      • basch 54 minutes ago
        Maybe in one shot.

        In theory I would expect them to be able to ingest the corpus of the new yorker and turn it into a template with sub-templates, and then be able to rehydrate those templates.

        The harder part seems to be synthesizing new connection from two adjacent ideas. They like to take x and y and create x+y instead of x+y+z.

      • sidpatil 53 minutes ago
        Someone here mentioned a whole ago that the labs deliberately haven't tried to train these characteristics out of their models, because leaving them in makes it easier to identify, and therefore exclude, LLM-generated text from their training corpus.
    • alexchantavy 54 minutes ago
      I wonder what college freshman-level writing classes are teaching about writing voice and AI. The tell-tale patterns are pretty frustrating to read.
    • gaythread 1 hour ago
      Modern day HN is overrun with AI posts.
  • SoKamil 1 hour ago
    The more research on this topic is created, the more knowledge how to game them will be stored in future training data. And since it comes from university, it is ranked higher in data corpus. It sounds like a self fulfilling prophecy.
  • czhu12 32 minutes ago
    I wonder if this puts into question the mythos benchmark which smashed basically all coding benchmarks to a staggering degree.
  • lukev 1 hour ago
    I think we should all consider the possibility that part of the reason Anthropic hasn't immediately released Mythos is that it would be slightly disappointing relative to the benchmark scores.
    • eiens 51 minutes ago
      The models don’t get better on every dimension as they scale up - there’s trade offs.

      I’m convinced specialised models are the way but this means writing off the investment in existing assets which they won’t do for obvious reasons.

  • bbcc90 47 minutes ago
    Yes good evals are really hard - that’s not really news.

    This team is doing a good job. They use problems that were created in last 30days to avoid training set leakage. https://swe-rebench.com/

  • andy99 16 minutes ago
    Flagged as AI slop. The concept is very interesting but it’s completely unacceptable to write it this way.

      No reasoning. No capability. Just exploitation of how the score is computed.
    
    Have a little respect for your readers, if you don’t want to think for yourself, just post the prompt.
  • lnrd 1 hour ago
    I'm honestly confused by the design of SWE-bench and why is considered reliable.

    It's based on existing GitHub PRs and Issues, the full dataset is on HuggingFace and is one year old now. All frontier models 100% have those issues and PRs in their training data so obviously they are good at reproducing fixes for them when confronted with the same codebase and similar requests. Am I missing something? How is this considered the most reliable benchmark?

    • SpicyLemonZest 1 hour ago
      Frontier model developers do not consider SWE-bench to be reliable. OpenAI announced in February (https://openai.com/index/why-we-no-longer-evaluate-swe-bench...) that they consider it hopelessly contaminated, advocating for a new version SWE-bench Pro that was published more recently. (They seem to believe that even the publicly accessible part of the SWE-bench Pro problem set will be more resistant to training set contamination issues in the future, for reasons that to be honest I don't really understand.)
  • jgalt212 1 hour ago
    The real question is how to close to VW and Deiselgate are these offenses? And what exposure do these companies have? I would assume securities fraud, if only because Matt Levine says everything is securities fraud.
  • jmward01 1 hour ago
    Not really on the topic, but I have wondered if we need a different type of test to help find model architecture potential. Standardized training sets followed by testing to see the potential curves of a model. train on x, test, add y, test, add z, test. At each increment you see how well the model is absorbing the information and extrapolate how well that architecture may do if more fully trained.
  • charcircuit 2 hours ago
    I always assumed that these benchmarks would happen in a sandbox. I'm surprised that no one realized this sooner.
    • ModernMech 1 hour ago
      I'm surprised anyone took them seriously in the first place.
      • subulaz 1 hour ago
        a LOT of the people who love benchmarks are middle management hard-selling GenAI/LLM as magic tech sauce to vaguely technical executives who only want to know about the money aka headcount savings they so desperately desire.

        their collective butts are already glued to the hype train as they chase numbers they (often) manufactured to justify the latest round of tech spend.

        lots of good use cases out there - like the incredible progress with medical imaging analysis or complex system models for construction - and lots of crap use cases that need benchmarks to cosplay relevance.

      • operatingthetan 1 hour ago
        We need good benchmarks or we are just left following the hype train.
  • oliver236 1 hour ago
    what are the point of benchmarks?
    • andai 1 hour ago
      If there was not benchmark, number would not go up.
    • esafak 33 minutes ago
      Are you serious? To help you pick a model.
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