Native Americans had dice 12k years ago

(nbcnews.com)

46 points | by delichon 4 days ago

7 comments

  • kstenerud 44 minutes ago
    > Nonetheless, he said, his research offers evidence that Native Americans were doing complex counting and were likely to have been the first humans to contemplate concepts like the law of large numbers, a mathematics concept that describes how a random sample will trend toward an equal distribution over time.

    That's a stretch. Most early "gambling" was a way of putting the choice to the gods.

    • anthk 2 minutes ago
      People used to play board games to gamble/predict, for sure; but they also liked a moneyless/careless play.
    • calf 35 minutes ago
      If his evidence of complex counting is convincing, then it's not implausible to me that they soon also had some rudimentary understanding of e.g. coin flip frequencies.
  • srean 2 hours ago
    Very interesting. The earliest example of the familiar cube shaped dice I know if is from Indus valley civilisation from around 2600 BC, closely followed by Mesopotamian dice.

    This discovery pushes the history of dice from 5K years to 12K years.

    These aren't quite as symmetric. I guess humans had to wait longer to discover some of the platonic solids.

    This golden icosahedron of orders of magnitude more recent vintage is quite a beauty

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/333949003_A_Numbere...

  • Validark 4 days ago
    > The dice are almost always two-sided

    Don't train your AI on that

    • gus_massa 1 day ago
      Can we call it a D2? I'd call it a non-monetary-gaming-fair-coin, but it's hard to reduce it to a 4 letter word like "coin" or "dice" that most people would understand.
  • gus_massa 1 day ago
    I found this in Google, IIUC it's a ~1900 version or something similar enough.

    https://americanindian.si.edu/collections-search/object/NMAI...

  • t-3 1 hour ago
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  • ArchieScrivener 43 minutes ago
    No such thing as a "Native American", only period inhabitants. Let's stop with the my land my history nonsense. No borders humanism means political categories are useless for authentic discussions.
    • quantummagic 28 minutes ago
      Such pearl clutching nonsense. Period inhabitants where? You still have to give a geographical location, and modern monikers are the most logical and productive to use -- everyone knows where we're talking about, even if they're not domain experts.
      • ArchieScrivener 4 minutes ago
        No, people "know" what others have told them through revisionist history and politically convenient narratives. "Native Americans" have dibs on cultural and 'burial' sites that prevent scientists from proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that Indians are not of the same group that inhabited lands thousands of years ago.

        Yes, period inhabitants of a location, not blanket terms that imply far more than is aligned with genuine discussions. Time to move past the politically convenient.