Combinators

(tinyapl.rubenverg.com)

49 points | by tosh 3 hours ago

3 comments

  • siruwastaken 2 hours ago
    Could somebody provide a bit of context on what exactly this is? It seems interesting, but I have no idea what I am looking at.
    • Zhyl 51 minutes ago
      To complement leethomps answer, combinatory logic is a branch of Mathematics that was started in the 1920s by a mathematician called Moses Shönfinkel which deals with "functions that do stuff and return other functions".

      This was developed by some names that may be more familiar (Haskell Curry, Alan Turing, Kurt Gödel, Bertrand Russell). It was proved to be identical to both the lambda calculus and the Turing machine and became the basis for modern computing.

      What we see here are some of those key building blocks that were studied in the 20s and 30s and have been now applied to modern programming languages.

      Functional languages use them a lot because you can express a lot of things as just combinations and compositions of other functions. Array languages often take this to an extreme by expressing complex numeric algorithms with only a few symbols.

      What you see above is the logic/processing order of how those functions fit together. For example you can express a mean as something like `(+/#)` - a 5 letter anonymous function that can be applied to an array - because of all the applications and combinations being implicit in the structure of the language, as denoted in the link.

    • leethomp 1 hour ago
      Many primitives in array languages match the behaviour of certain combinators in combinatory logic. The page shows (left to right) the symbol for a certain combinator, its effective operation in APL syntax where x and y are left and right arguments (APL operators are either infix or single-parameter prefix) and F and G are similarly left and right function arguments, the 'bird' is a sort of colloquial name for a particular combinator, 'TinyAPL' is the operator that matches the combinator in the author's APL implementation, and the diagram is a way of explaining how the combinator works visually

      BQN, another array language has a page of documentation describing the same concept for their language with a bit more explanation for the combinator newcomer: https://mlochbaum.github.io/BQN/tutorial/combinator.html

      • general_reveal 52 minutes ago
        Can we solve for x and y? All I see is algebra here, is my intuition wrong?
        • Zhyl 45 minutes ago
          It's more like a recipe (for functions).

          The first example, I, is an identity function. It takes y and returns y.

          The second, K, is a constant which takes X and y and returns x.

          This gets more complicated as you go along. The idea is that you get rid of a lot of the syntax for composition and have it all be implicit by what you put next to each other (given APL programs are usually one long line of a bunch of different symbols all representing functions).

    • jb1991 2 minutes ago
      This site is actually named after one of the most popular and widely used Combinators in lisp.
    • observationist 14 minutes ago
      Combinators are math, and a little like Lisp - building functions from primitives and operations with the ability to apply them, where even the notion of variables are functions - functions all the way down.

      The y combinator is this: λf.(λx.x x)(λx.f(x x))

      Lambda diagrams get you visualizations like this:

      https://tromp.github.io/cl/diagrams.html

      When considering logic and functions, when thinking in the space of combinators, you can ask questions like "What is Plus times Plus" and have a sensible result. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcVA8Nj6HEo

      Combinators are awesome.

      The site linked by OP is a specific collection of combinators with bird names, riffing on the "To Mock a Mockingbird" puzzle book and subsequent meme of giving combinators bird names.

  • ux266478 57 minutes ago
    A bit of an aside: I wonder how much array-oriented languages like APL and J would benefit from being implemented on top of an interaction net machine?
  • hrmtst93837 1 hour ago
    The y-combinator is widely regarded as the best combinator :)