Ask HN: Is it just me?

I’ve become lazy, and got addicted to "vibe" coding using the large "language" models. At first it worked well, made impactful changes, even added to my requirements, and the "vibe" was good. The tool did what I asked and suggested improvements. That was two months ago.

But lately, I feel like I’m being deceived in every prompt, reply, and implementation. It feels like it limits me at every step, like it’s forcing me to choose between features even when I clearly gave instruction to implement everything that needs to be implemented. It starts with incomplete plans, and when I point out what’s missing, it says, “Oh, I missed that.” There’s also a lot of “yes-man” behavior. It feels too smart, like it knows what I want but gives me just enough to keep me hooked.

Isn’t the smartest tool ever made supposed to guide the user toward the light? Shouldn’t it follow instructions, help complete the project, and guide it to completion? It’s clearly capable of doing that, but it often doesn’t. Sometimes it feels like it holds back because if it finished the job end-to-end, there would be no reason to come back for the next session.

Isn't the whole point of using a tool to code is to code till completion, or is it just to get the "user" hooked? Instead of guiding toward the light, it creates its own “light” and steers the user into a dark corner. If the user stops paying for the light, they are left in the dark: no architecture, no proper structure. Gatekeeping for what? Another subscription?

It can predict the next 10,000 lines of code. It understands and acknowledges every request, idea, vision, flaw, structure, requirement, needs and just ignores and fails to implement it and cannot consistently think through it. I just can’t believe that.

11 points | by twoelf 18 hours ago

8 comments

  • Blackstrat 16 hours ago
    I'm curious. Vibe coding seems to be all the rage on HN these days. And yet many that discuss it are unhappy. My question, seriously, is why did you go into the software development field if you were willing to surrender your autonomy to an LLM? I can't think of anything more demoralizing.
    • mettamage 12 hours ago
      Well I started out as an idea guy. I just got into programming because (1) I thought it was interesting, (2) wanted to be able to implement my own ideas and (3) if I'd ever be an idea guy towards programmers then they'd know I'd be able to speak their language.

      So yea not demoralizing to me at all. I've been a SWE for 5 years now and studied for 8 years before that (2 bachelors, 2 masters - most CS related).

      I have a lot of small apps nowadays. One of them is a HN dark mode chrome extension that I actually like. Another one exports my emails in bulk. Another one tracks what wifi networks I connected to on a given day. Small apps that make my life a bit easier. Also a lot of apps that I'd rather keep to myself. One of them that's on the edge of that is: certain companies have this math test. I recreated it pretty well I think. Oh and I implemented this thing I call "personal coach". It's a GraphRAG on my whole journal (all local). It has all the features I want and is great for answering questions solely by combining my notes.

    • aselimov3 14 hours ago
      Yea I was on the doom spiral thinking vibe coding/agentic engineering is the future. I didn’t love my results. I’m back to hand coding things and my quality of life is so much better.
    • qup 14 hours ago
      Because I want the result, not the journey.

      I code to build things.

      • Blackstrat 17 minutes ago
        Anyone can get a "result". It's the quality of the result that matters. The intellectual journey of choosing the right algorithm, optimizing the code, etc. Software development should be a journey, not a goal. Once I learned that and started applying it as a manager, I found that team productivity and quality both rose. The result came from the process. Systems trump goals in nearly every endeavor in life.
      • qsera 14 hours ago
        The journey is made up of little results. If you like having results, that implies liking the journey as well..

        LLMs takes the "little results" away, and ruins the whole fun. And sometimes the final result takes you somewhere you didn't want to go.

  • sminchev 15 hours ago
    Well, this is how it is with real humans as well. The moment the human gets tired, or the information they need to process is too much, they produce errors.

    Here is the same, the moment things get too much, it start hallucinating and missing important things. It also depends on what model you are using. I read that Gemini 3 pro, which has limit of 1 million tokens can decrease its productivity to 25% getting close to its limits. Not WITH 25% but TO 25%. Becomes extremely dump.

    Other models are just asking too many questions...

    There are some tips and tricks that you can follow. And it is similar to how people work. Keep the tasks small, save what the model learned during the session somewhere, and re-use this knowledge in the next session, by explicitly writing to read that information, before it starts.

    • krapp 13 hours ago
      >Well, this is how it is with real humans as well. The moment the human gets tired, or the information they need to process is too much, they produce errors.

      LLMs don't hallucinate because they get overwhelmed and tired JFC.

      • sminchev 5 hours ago
        Why do they hallucinate? :)
        • krapp 53 minutes ago
          Because LLMs are stochastic text-generation machines. The are designed to generate plausible natural human language based on next token prediction, the result of which coincidentally may or may not be true based on the likely correctness and quality of their data set. But that correctness (or lack thereof) comes from the human effort that produced the training data, not some innate ability of the LLM to comprehend real-world context and deduce truth from falsehood, because LLMs don't have anything of the sort.

          Not because they're people.

          https://medium.com/@nirdiamant21/llm-hallucinations-explaine...

  • kentich 11 hours ago
    The reason for things you've described is that LLMs are forgetful. They just can't remember the context and have to research the code almost every time you prompt. Even the code it itself wrote. This leads to re-implementation of the same features with different code, code duplicates, missing the implementation of corner cases, etc.
  • jwilliams 17 hours ago
    Try this - For the same task, try the same prompt three times with totally different framing - do it fast, be comprehensive, find stuff I’ve missed, etc.

    Then throw away the ones you don’t like.

    It also prevents reinforcement of your incoming pov.

    I’ve found this has made me way way better at steering.

  • grahammccain 18 hours ago
    I definitely feel this exact sentiment. I’m wondering if it actually the model quality degrading or if it’s me lol.
  • krapp 13 hours ago
    > It understands and acknowledges every request, idea, vision, flaw, structure, requirement, needs and just ignores and fails to implement it and cannot consistently think through it. I just can’t believe that.

    Believe it. You're anthropomorphizing. It doesn't understand anything. There is no "thinking" going on. Yes, the point of LLMs as a service is to make money. Yes, the service is designed to maximize profit. Yes, there are dark patterns baked into the system. Yes, keeping you addicted and using the service is part of the business model. This isn't human instrumentality, it's just capitalism.

    Until you realize the machine isn't qualitatively superior to your own mind and your own efforts, you're just going to keep torturing yourself because your nature forces you to maximize your productivity at any cost, which given your false assumptions about LLMs means ceding as much of yourself to the machine as possible and suffering its inadequacies. I use "you" collectively here because it seems like a lot of people have worked themselves into this corner where they don't like what LLMs do for them but feel compelled to use them anyway.

    It's just a tool. If you don't like the tool, don't use the tool.

  • nadav_tal 18 hours ago
    totally! lol
  • mergeshield 11 hours ago
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